Shubham(00:01) -
We often introspect how we come across as a person and what impressions we leave on people around us. And we constantly try to become a better version of ourselves. There are innumerable ways for it, you know, personality tests, like The MBTI, or using the Strengths Finder by Gallup, and a lot of others as well. But these are more structured programs, which often need a subject matter expert to guide us through them. And self discovery, I think, is a journey that one needs to go through. So we need a simpler way out to this right. But then don't worry. The book reinventing brand new subtitle, the theater way, is it rescue? The famous book by India's best selling author vinita Vyas takes us on a journey of self discovery to reinvent the brand new and equips us with interesting and creative techniques from the acting world, the world of theater. To give you a little introduction to the guest, Vinita Vyas actor and Associate Director of the other side falcate genbu pescar winner Hindi feature film. She's the creative director at the open theatre and senior arts. She's the founder director at simply provides, which helps organization improvise their performance through interventions using creative art techniques. She's also an adventurous and a Trekker, and has recently co founded the orange sky which curates offbeat, adventure focused travel experiences. She is an NLP practitioner, and a certified coach.
Shubham(01:29) -
Namaste I'm Shubham Agarwal, and you're listening to SOS secrets of storytellers, a podcast where I interview authors and writers from the world of business, literature, and many more, don't miss out the last section, where we get to know secrets from the storyteller themselves. So let us welcome her. Hello, vinita maam a very warm welcome to secrets of storytellers.
Vinita(01:49) -
Hi, Shubham. Thank you so much for having me at your wonderful show. I really appreciate the kind of work you're doing here. And yes, I'm super excited to be here with you today. Thank you.
Shubham(02:00) -
Thank you so much. So Vinita maam with your life revolving all around Creative Arts, being someone who spends a lot of time in the Himalayas striking as a lockdown treated you as you were looking to flee the minute, you know, this gets better you get the opportunity.
Vinita(02:18) -
Wow, I so love this question. shubham. Yeah, all right. My dear friend, you know, lockdown, maybe outside for all of us. It has never, ever been for me within my core value in life is feeling free. And I choose to live with the same whatever the times may be, you know, as they say, especially in the theater world, the world where I belong. Yeah, we just say the show must go on. And it does.
Shubham(02:49) -
Wonderful. Yeah.
Vinita(02:51) -
Yes, of course, I do miss the outdoors, my mountains, my water streams, my tall trees. You know those things sometimes, like really steep ascent and descent that make me push my limits. I'm so miss the audience by you know, they all they all keep me saying. But again, they say who looks outside only dreams and who looks inside. Awakens. You know Shubham, I think I think I have taken this lockdown as a blessing in disguise. This home isolation has given me and I'm sure many of us also an opportunity to look deeper within. Yeah, no. In fact, just to share with you. I have taken 100 days project of my pause moments. And I read with it. Yeah, I revisit every day. So every day, I think of one pause moment, as an in my journey of conscious leadership so far, I take a pause and think about any one aspect of my leadership practice. And I want to simply dissolve the leader in me and I want to evolve the practice of my leadership. And yes, I can say I have been enjoying my indoors. A lot down for me has never been there. I think it won't be there me ever.
Shubham(04:20) -
Wonderful. That's that's that's a beautiful way how you looked at it. And thank you for sharing that.
Vinita(04:26) -
My pleasure.
Shubham(04:28) -
So, so from an MBA, starting your career as a marketing professional to being so deeply involved with the theater world, as an actor, as a producer, a director, and you know, now authoring books to now exploring trekking adventure, how how did this transformation happen for you? How did this journey you know pan out for you?
Vinita(04:50) -
Right shubham I am an improviser. Right. I believe in simply improvising whether it is on the stage or off the stage And very firmly, I believe that there is that smaller world, which is the stage where I belong. And that larger stage, which is the world, where you and I both belong. And I love to improvise on both these stages. So yes, that's how it is. And honestly speaking, I didn't quite plan on anything in life. Not yet. Not so far. Okay. I just love to live in the moment, one breath at a time, simple life assorted. Yeah. And, of course, like, as you're asking me about my transitions of, let's say, the careers or, you know, the different aspects of my professional life that I've been exposed to. So one thing for sure, that I was almost always sure of was that I wanted to be on my own. be my own boss. All right, always. Yeah. So yes, I needed to gain some experience of the real world if I may use that word, before I actually started my entrepreneurial journey. Yeah. And I was the Blessed One again, in my purpose. So I landed a dream role of marketeer. Yeah. Which, you know, with one of the most loved organizations of our times Coca Cola, right, that was like, everybody in our batch they wanted. And so yeah, and I was the last one I got through. And, like always, I think I still am the Blessed One I loved totally, absolutely loved what I did, through my corporate career into marketing and hardcore sales. I can say, sales, especially moving out in the field. So yes, I have been on the streets for many years, you know, I have been to those tiniest of retail shops, and even paan Wallah shops, to the biggest of corporate houses, to interacting with the CEOs now coaching, the CEOs and the MDS of large corporates. Also, throughout this journey, primarily the field, or the human interaction, that taught me a lot. And one fine day, I just felt It's time. And I simply improvised. That that was the corporate aspect. And how about my, no, my transition into theater films, to theater and creative arts, I can say has always been in my DNA, you know, that one theater and cinema arts was founded by my brother Sunil creme, who happens to be my guru, also in the world of theater and cinema. And I think they're right again, I'm blessed that way. So theater was always part of my life, right from school days. And now when I took a conscious call of getting into the space, you know, entering professionally, if I may say that way, so I had to just enter the space more consciously. That's all you know. And then there was no looking back. That's, that's what it was. And, yes, about my adventure side. So when I wanted to explore that, and I have been a tracker for quite some time now, since the last couple of years. I never thought of it as a professional venture, honestly, speaking. Okay. And I can say, from the orange sky, is actually our venture into travel. So that is a purely accidental baby. Okay. My father, and I often joke about this, that this has been our accidental, baby. I'll tell you what happened. Show,
Shubham(08:45) -
Please. We would love to hear. Yeah.
Vinita(08:46) -
So my travel buddy. And I felt like experiencing the Himalayan winters? No, well, he had been on couple of tracks, but they are generally seven days, 10 days, but never for a long time. And he really wanted to experience those low temperatures and those hardships or basically experience that moment and that place and the lives during the winter.
Shubham(09:14) -
Quite a task that you took on.
Vinita(09:19) -
Oh, yes. Yeah it was super fun, super fun. And at the same time, a very life changing experience. And so we went on a winter road trip, of course, as always, without a map or any plan. We just one day we got up. I was in gorga at my friend's place, and we had some Himalayan tracks planned. Okay, so we and there was supposed to happen a few days later. And we were just thinking about this winter, Himalayan winter. So we thought it's okay, maybe because a car and let's just go with the roads. And let's just explore so we went And it used to be something like, nope, we're just driving somewhere and we see a trail. And it kind of felt that this trail is calling to us. And we are hearing that calling and we just go and climb times that is not doing the trail, there is some amount, some HELOC, some road, and maybe I cannot even call it a road, just just one direction, just muddy trail. Okay, and we will just take that part. So in the process, there were some amazing hidden places that we explored. And we found that there must be so many people like us who would love to experience such adventures and offbeat places and the soul journey in which it takes you on that self discovery that we experienced. And it kind of made us feel that now. We cannot keep this from the word, you know. And that's why we call it an accidental baby because everything was an accident. I don't know, maybe it was part of some larger plan of the universe and the dots kept on connecting. And finally, wow, here we are. The orange sky is a toddler learning to walk. Yeah, no panda make the challenging situation has kind of put our baby on hold for some time. But we are teaching our baby to at least know stand on its two feet here at home. And once things get better, it will our baby will start walking and running. And finally climbing.
Shubham(11:39) -
I'm definitely joining that journey whenever that happens, because it sounds wonderful.
Vinita(11:44) -
Definitely, definitely we'll explore we'll climb mountains together. So this one, so one part. And then I am into some learning interventions as a facilitator, some coaching and altering is everything. Everything I would say is like a new page, or a new chapter turning on its own. And I just go with the flow. So that's how my transition been just just going with the flow. That's what it is.
Shubham(12:17) -
That's beautiful So is this book an outcome of this whole journey, this transition this journey that you talked about?
Vinita(12:22) -
Oh, yes. Oh, yes. shabam? Absolutely. I must say you already know me quite. Okay. Before I answer that, let me ask you a question.
Shubham(12:36) -
Please. Yeah.
Vinita(12:37) -
Okay.Thank you. Thank you so much. Now, would you agree if I say that we are all actors in various characters at any given moment on the stage called life?
Shubham(12:49) -
Definitely true. I totally agree. Yeah.
Vinita(12:51) -
Wonderful. Wonderful. Now you and I are of the same tribe. Yeah, so precisely, precisely, my friend. My journey is also of being a stage actor, a filmmaker, a corporate manager, an entrepreneur, a coach, a writer, a sister, a daughter, a wife, a friend, a tracker, a traveller, and the list can actually go on and on and on. Right. Now, while thinking about this journey of self discovery, and all of these roles that I play in life, somewhere, they made me realize that to bring phonies in my performance in any of them, or every role of an art of all these roles, whether on or off the stage. Now, when I say stage, I am referring to professional stage and the real life, right? Right. What I realized Shubham that I am primarily using only three tools, the audio, the video, and my emotional intellect.
Shubham(13:58) -
All right.
Vinita(13:59) -
Whether it is real world or it is the real world or another stage if we put it that way. So I want to find out share some of these techniques of the stage and the real world that have helped me bring phonies into these characters. And that have actually helped me know myself better. It has actually been with me throughout my self discovery, this journey with the real world. So why not bring this entire techniques or my learnings from my journey so far? to the real world also, right? And that's how inventing brand new does head away was born. Okay.
Shubham(14:46) -
Wonderful, but, you know, this sounds like a quite a deep concept and someone who's reading the book, does he or she also require to know theatre or say acting or you know, related skills. So is it For anyone and everyone,
Vinita(15:01) -
Okay, okay. Simple question again to you. Are you also an actor? On the stage called line? right? Correct. And if I asked you like, let's say, I'm sure you play a role of a friend of some Yeah. Right? How would you rate yourself on a scale of zero to 10?
Shubham(15:28) -
That's a difficult one, but I think I do decent.
Vinita(15:32) -
Okay, so can we number your decent? Can we say decent is equal to maybe an eight? Yeah,
Shubham(15:38) -
I think eight is safe.
Vinita(15:41) -
Okay. All right. I don't know why I asked you this question. Because, again, I will take you back to what I just said that. Now for you to reach that age, I'm sure it is actually a 10. You are just being very modest. And theatre skills, and my book can actually add that one or two more. So you will be at 10 plus. Right? Yeah, and for a very simple reason, that you also use your audio video and your emotional intellect. Correct. Correct. And we also use the same only differences, our stages different, and also specificly. Because we need to put up the best performance consciously. And that is why there are certain techniques, certain exercises, which we, when I say we are professional actors. So we as actors, we use these exercises, to horn to polish to bring phonies into our tools of the trade, which is common between you and I, which is so I also use my voice I also use sometimes I do have a script most of the times because I am an organizational actor. So I do not have a script. In real life. You definitely do not have a script.
Shubham(17:09) -
Yeah, I wish I had.
Vinita(17:10) -
That's a really, really great way. However, it's true
Shubham(17:15) -
Nobody ever died. We never have a script.
Vinita(17:19) -
Yeah, we were not born with the script. We don't wake up with a script. But still, we put up a good, pretty decent performance. Yeah, right. Yeah. Well, coming back to your question, for you to put up that performance. No, just like we actors to? And yes, of course, I take the credit that I'm a very fine actor, right. It's only these exercises, and the same exercises, like I put in my book. And if you also do those exercises, it's like a regime, you practice those on a very regular basis. Eventually, you'll know how to use your voice how to use your dialogues, how to actually choose your dialogues. And because in the theater world, there are some writers as well.
Shubham(18:09) -
Right. Yeah.
Vinita(18:10) -
So, somebody is definitely writing those dialogues to bring the most effectiveness in that performance. Likewise, you also have a choice in fact, you are at a much better place than us. So you have a choice you can actually write your script, why not? You know? Yeah. So, same way you do not really need any specific any special skill. You just need one thing, passion, right. Yeah. So in my book, also, I shared these all these exercises, which are nothing but the exercises that I have been practicing, I have seen lots of professional actors practicing with the same exercises. And that is only to brush up to mourn. I would repeat myself so to bring phonies into your tools of the trade, right? your audio and your emotional intellect. Like for example, if I may share, we work on managing our emotions, we go into the most basics of it. So right from nervous right now that simply means nine emotions. Right? Right. And now virus, virus is nothing but essence or juice, right? Okay. Yeah. These are for you, for me, for anybody and everybody in the world. any nationality, any culture, any person coming from any background. We all have only these nine emotions, nine Russ are the essence or the feelings that we feel right? Correct. Yeah. So for us, we practice on these nine emotions. Now if I may share a variable simple exercise what we do is we call it russ sadhana Okay, okay. So now you understand the word sadhana. Yeah. Practice study, right? So you study and you practice that. So that is sadhna. And Russ as I just told you, it's simple language emotion, right? So what we do is let's say during the week we choose our days so for example and out of those nine emotions, we pick up any one or two of them and we actually schedule these emotions for any two days of the week. So for example, on Monday and Tuesday I have chosen to practice how Cirrus okay which is your love your blades and there are so many So, many of these emotions, they all come under one umbrella which is how Cirrus right okay? So for these two days for Monday and Tuesday, consciously, I would only feel and express only this emotion and various formats of this emotion whereas types which come under this emotion, okay. Now imagine if we are doing like this, that kind of practice we get into, we get into or rather I should say we create an inventory of moments of triggers of state of this one particular emotion. And as inventor we also set anchors, yeah, no, it's very simple. For example, I have an anchor for myself, the moment I see a smiling baby that has Cirrus or any of the, you know, the subcategory of how serious I want to feel, it just triggers in me within right. And it just happens a fraction of a moment Okay, okay. So now, it's not possible for me to look at smiling baby anywhere and any time that I want. So, what I have in my thoughts in my imagination, I have gathered a snapshot a mental snapshot of a smiling baby, okay. And likewise, I have gathered and created inventory of multiple such images also the sound of smiling baby or laughing baby now that sound is also there also the baby expressions also you know, the feeling. So, now I look at the feelings that all these things trigger in me right? And that is all put into my reservoir my repertoire. So that is not Tell me, is it difficult for you to do this?
Shubham(22:50) -
It sounds like a very simple, Yeah.
Vinita(22:53) -
That is what it is. So, and being a professional actor, because we don't know what kind of character we will be expected to play. And it may be a villainous character, it may be you know, a negative shade or a positive or a gray shade, it could be anything. So vivo on all these nine emotions. However, for you, for your performance on this real life stage, I don't think you would want to experience and express, let's say anger, or sadness.
Shubham(23:28) -
True. Correct.
Vinita(23:29) -
Or fear.
Shubham(23:30) -
You wouldn't want that.
Vinita(23:33) -
So your job is actually much easy. You don't need to work on nine emotion, right? You just need to pick and choose out of those nine, you choose whatever you want to feel and experience and express. You start working only on those emotions. Make sense?
Shubham(23:50) -
Yeah. makes total sense. Yeah.
Vinita(23:52) -
So now tell me do you think you need any special skill?
Shubham(23:56) -
No, I don't. I do make quite quite simple. Yeah.
Vinita(24:00) -
It is very, very simple. Probably. This is the reason why at that point, theatre and Sydney arts like at our group. We never say that we do theater. No, we simply lift here theater.
Shubham(24:13) -
Okay.
Vinita(24:17) -
We never do. Make sense?
Shubham(24:19) -
That's, that's wonderful. Yeah. So Vinita maam as humans, we sometimes or, you know, we fear the act of change. And the journey of self introspection does require us to tweak things about ourselves. And there could be some difficult changes as well that we have to bring about in ourselves at times. How do you get over this fear of change?
Vinita(24:42) -
Okay. All right. That's an interesting question. And I often get asked this question,
Shubham(24:48) -
Because that I think that's at the very core of everyone who is trying to change.
Vinita(24:54) -
And I totally hear you. Yeah. That is as simple as on a very practical way to manage? And I'll tell you, so as we just spoke about emotion, right? So if I tell you a technique from again from the hitter world, because that's where I belong, so I allow me to speak more. Yeah. So, how we actors look at this is any emotion is nothing but an energy in motion, okay, okay, it is only an energy in motion, we do not label it, we never name it that when I say name it as an we do not name or label it as good or bad, or positive or good. We definitely live as fear or excitement or ecstasy or disgust or anything like that we label it but we do not categorize it as negative, positive, good or bad. No. And that's where the technique lies, okay, because the moment you start looking at it as only an energy which is inside you, and that energy is in motion. Now, please understand that fear is also is nothing but an emotion, energy in motion. Right? You simply navigate it, you simply channelize it by making a choice. And when you reframe, or choose more empowering words or phrases to speak to your inner voice, it just works for you instead of working against you.
Shubham(26:39) -
Alright, so you've given the energy a new form.
Vinita(26:42) -
Exactly, exactly. You're in sync here, right. Now, the moment you so if I may ask you suppose like, What are you afraid of? Anything that you fear?
Shubham(26:54) -
I think being unsuccessful.
Vinita(26:57) -
Okay. Okay. Now, if you are afraid of and I totally understand, I totally hear you and I totally respect that which is fine.
Shubham(27:05) -
Yeah.
Vinita(27:07) -
If you're saying that you fear you're afraid of being unsuccessful. Okay. Now, just think about what does it make you feel within the moment you say this?
Shubham(27:21) -
I think I feel weak. Okay. I kind of feel down on energy.
Vinita(27:29) -
Okay.
Shubham(27:30) -
Now tell me Just think of and if at all you want to share, please otherwise, just think of one moment where you felt really successful. And that made you feel super happy. And you felt like, Oh, my God, I can actually take on the entire world. I'm at the top of the world. So I'm sure there must be so many.
Vinita(27:51) -
Yeah, I'm always smiling. Yeah. Right.
Shubham(27:54) -
Oh, you're already smiling because you thought that your thought just popped in. Yeah. You got the answer. That's how you manage it.
Vinita(28:01) -
Right. This is This is nice.
Shubham(28:04) -
Yeah. What happened to your fear of being unsuccessful has a trunk already for you?
Vinita(28:09) -
Yeah, it's out of the out of the room.
Shubham(28:11) -
Oh, wow. it's out of the out of the room. Wonderful wonderful.
Vinita(28:17) -
So now you have just replaced that energy? Or rather, I should say you've actually channelized that energy.
Shubham(28:24) -
Right. Right.
Vinita(28:26) -
And you reframed those words. So from unsuccessful you reframed it to successful from that mental snapshot of that fear, whatever that was, I don't want you to remember that anymore. Because I think even in order to remember, you're not going to remember, it's already out of the room. Right? Okay. So that's how you do. Now once you know the bar, and you use it the way you like, it's that simple. You know, it's, it's something like keep the remote control in your hand. Otherwise, your television may like not do because, you know, your television is very advanced with features, it has the best HD video quality, it has the best of stereo speakers and so it wants to live to its best capability.
Shubham(29:19) -
Okay. Right.
Vinita(29:21) -
And you may like another channel, maybe a sports channel. So now what? Okay, are you able to relate?
Shubham(29:32) -
Yeah, yeah, I get,
Vinita(29:33) -
what you do is you simply take the remote in your hand before it actually takes you over. Take Charge. You brought the television home, not otherwise. Right. Right. And same thing Absolutely. Same thing applies to real life also. So as and when anything any transformation journey anybody would like to take initially there are a lot of apprehensions Are you My example when I started tracking, I wasn't very physically fit also. So when I say physically fit, I have that sense of health, that sense of well being I do have, however, that endurance or the strength, the core that is needed for actual, those high altitude climb, right? Probably was missing somewhere. And I just didn't know where to start, what to do, how to do. And all my friends, my track buddies, because we had already booked our track, so and our flight tickets and everything was booked. So they were encouraging me and I said, Okay, what am I supposed to do? Am I supposed to do? And that's when I did the same exercise. And I thought, Okay, let me reframe. It's not fear, it's something, maybe I'm pushing my limits, I got to push my limits, right. So I replaced that word fear, I replaced it to just pushing my limits. And in fact, I replaced it with I remember it very clearly, I think fear to my adrenaline. Alright, but I will do the extra metal rush. And automatically, the so called fear in that moment, either way, and here I am claiming the best of the mountains.
Shubham(31:29) -
That's lovely. Thank you so much for sharing that.
Vinita(31:32) -
Thank you. Thank you for asking me that. I love to relive that moment?
Shubham(31:37) -
That's great. So any one small change that you think everyone can, you know, probably start doing after listening to us? What would that what would you suggest? One small change?
Vinita(31:49) -
Wow, first of all, my dear friend, how about if we replace reframe this word change to evolution in order? Yeah. First of all, whether we like it wanted or not, we evolve, we simply do. We evolve from where we are, to where we want to be. Tell me something? Do we touch the same waters again, when we are standing in the river? Ever? No. Never. Right? That's what it is. So the moment you choose, you accept that, yes, we are evolving. The moment you have that conscious awareness, you start getting the choice. And now what you simply need to do is to choose the choices choice for you. Make sense?
Shubham(32:42) -
Yeah.
Vinita(32:44) -
Yeah. So now, coming back to your question, I would only love to say one thing, my dear friends, life's too short to think how to live, just live one breath at a time. And it's simple. If you choose to live authentically, it's very simple. And yes, of course, if I must share something that changed my life or best, if not just better, but just start experiencing nature in the best ways that you can. Hello, it humbles you in more ways than you can imagine to them. No, it has slowed me down. So when you are in nature, in any way, it can be something as simple as you know, connecting with a plant that you have at your home, right? Because right now in the isolation, you're not able to step out. So even if there is a plant, start connecting with that plant, it will eventually slow you down. To speed up. I'm sure you know what I'm all right.
Shubham(33:53) -
Okay. That's, that's quite deep. Yeah.
Vinita(33:55) -
So nature slows you down. Because it makes you be more mindful, be more present in the moment. And eventually you speed up. Because you are at your best, then and you are more relaxed and you know what you want. Right. That is what it is.
Shubham(34:13) -
That's great. That's great. Thank you so much for that advice. Great. Thank you so much for taking us through this deep journey. This brings us to the next the concluding section of the podcast. So this is my personal favorite. And as you know, we call the show secrets of storytellers. So I would like to ask why.
Vinita(34:34) -
I am so sorry. I'm interrupting the show. But I love my love the name secret.
Shubham(34:42) -
Thank you. Thank you. So yeah, so you got to share the secret with us about the book all about the journey as an author.
Vinita(34:52) -
Before that, again, I want to ask you something.
Shubham(34:56) -
Yeah, please.
Vinita(34:59) -
Okay, thank you. Thank you, you have been such a wonderful, such a great host. I must say that Thank you, thank you, Shubham you are an absolutely engaging storyteller yourself. You are inspiring your listeners by telling stories of authors through your podcast, right? You know, how I feel your podcast is more like a much loved audiobook, with every interview being a new chapter. So I'm kind of intrigued to know your secret of this book that you're writing. Or maybe you are recording, I should say bad. Yeah, so I really want to know you're.
Shubham(35:39) -
kay. That's quite, that's quite a turn of tables. But I'm really grateful that you could, you know, you asked that question. I just. Okay, so this, the secret is, you know, that we're recording all these shows all these episodes with all the guests remotely, right. And since the very beginning, it's been, it's been a very great task to record it remotely, because a lot of disturbances, they'll talk noises that we just can't take care of, right. And my younger brother, who happens to be a guitarist, as well, has been someone who's been working quite quite religiously or always. So he came up with a very brilliant idea, initially. And so our studio is a makeshift studio, where we put pillows around the mic to kind of take care of the ambient noises. And that really helped us and that kind of changed. So if you you know, if someone listens to the first episode, and the episodes that are coming now, there's a huge drastic change. And that's all because we just made a small change, small, creative way of recording we just put a mic under the under a small set of pillows at it and it worked wonders.
Vinita(36:56) -
Amazing, amazing. Okay, so that's a secret. Your code is
Shubham(37:03) -
We do not have we did not have a, you know, crazy studio and anything. It's improvisation. It's Yeah.
Vinita(37:11) -
Awesome. Awesome. God bless you guys made amazing. And this is exactly my secret as an author. Oh, okay. My journey so far in life gave me multiple opportunities to interact with many people from diverse backgrounds, like, right now, I just got to interact with you and I heard your part of the story. Right. Right. Likewise, in life I have interacted with and I have listened to people right from the creative fields to the corporate, the younger generation to and various, a younger lot, I mean, children to highly experienced adult children also. And my experiences clubbed with their shared experiences, gave birth to reinventing brand new, that's yet away. Oh, wow. So my dear friend, my secret is very simple. I'm actually just a co author.
Shubham(38:21) -
Right. I hope your publisher is not listening to this.
Vinita(38:32) -
My friend, that's my secret. Thank you so much for giving me that humbling reminder. Thank you. Honestly,
Shubham(38:39) -
Thank you so much for sharing this, this is really humble of you. And this is beautiful, how you present these stories of the people that you've touched and the people that you've met in your life.
Vinita(38:47) -
I think that's what life is all about. And thank you, thank you so much for our interaction today. It has enriched me, it has interest to me, and I'm sure this story is somewhere going in my next book, and I'll give you credit.
Shubham(39:02) -
Oh, thank you so much. That'll be that'll be a pleasure. Thank you so much for your time, it's been a pleasure to have you on the show and discuss such deep, you know, topics that we normally do not want to talk about. But there's a really life changing. And thank you for sharing all the experiences that you've gone through.
Vinita(39:19) -
Thank you. Thank you so much. And may God bless you. Please take very good care of yourself and all your loved ones. Thank you, especially during this time.
Shubham(39:30) -
Yeah, definitely. And same to you. Thank you, and thank you to all the listeners. This is Shubham, signing off. Bye bye.
